GTW Subach HL-7 - Revision history

Durandal at 20:45, 21 September 2020

2020-09-21T20:45:07Z

Androgeos Exeunt: Tried to re-word the opening description a little.

2020-05-03T05:56:10Z

Tried to re-word the opening description a little.

SypheDMar: Following Veteran Guideline

2011-02-26T02:56:26Z

Following Veteran Guideline

BrianU at 22:35, 25 February 2011

2011-02-25T22:35:11Z

BrianU at 22:33, 25 February 2011

2011-02-25T22:33:23Z

Ngtm1r: /* Veteran Comments */

2009-07-06T10:24:32Z

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Droid803: /* Veteran Comments */ spacing, misc.

2009-04-29T04:27:12Z

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Galemp: Spinning Subach!

2009-04-02T16:16:29Z

Spinning Subach!

TopAce at 14:56, 8 August 2008

2008-08-08T14:56:35Z

TopAce: /* Veteran Comments */

2008-07-10T12:57:01Z

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 ===Statistics - Subach HL-D===
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 The '''GTW Subach HL-7''' (more commonly referred to simply as the '''Subach''') is one of the [[Galactic Terran-Vasudan Alliance|GTVA's]] basic weapons, along with the [[GTM Tempest]] dumbfire and [[GTM MX-64|GTM Rockeye]] heat-seeking missiles. It is the first primary weapon granted to new recruits and is thus the first one encountered by the player in FreeSpace 2.
-Though it lacks the sheer hitting power of many weapons encountered later in the campaign, the Subach remains a useful weapon throughout much of the game for its high compatibility and refire rate, and its well balanced shield/hull damage ratio.  It also consumes much less power than heavier guns, a powerful advantage since it allows one to direct power to the shields and engines instead of energy-hungry weapons.
+Though it lacks the sheer hitting power of many weapons encountered later in the campaign, the Subach remains a useful weapon throughout much of the game due to its high compatibility, refire rate, and consistent damage across both shields and hulls. It also consumes much less power than heavier guns, a powerful advantage since it allows one to divert extra power to shields and engines, increasing the efficiency of these systems, while still being able to continuously fire the Subach without running out of gun energy.
 The Vasudans have a variant of the Subach HL-7 that can be mounted only on their ships, the [[GTW Mekhu HL-7]].

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 ===Veteran Comments===
 {{Comment|''This is my favorite cannon throughout the game (especially on a [[GTF Erinyes]] or [[GTF Myrmidon]] or other fighter with double banks). Unlike the [[GTW Prometheus S]] or the [[GTW UD-8 Kayser]] this gun doesn't really eat much energy at all, continuing to work consistently. Some people may find its relatively low raw damage a disadvantage, but some will find the high rate-of-fire, efficiency, and compatibility balance out those issues.''
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 ''The Subach isn't a bad weapon, but it's dwarfed by more advanced primaries. Everything can be equipped with it, and you can keep firing it forever even with decreased laser recharge. However, most combat situations in FreeSpace 2 don't require you to sustain fire for very long, thereby negating the Subach's strongest feature. Against warships, it just doesn't do that much damage, not to mention that the Prom S has a longer range, and thus it's more useful against turrets. While attacking blind spots, a pilot with Prom S can sustain his fire just as well as a pilot with Subach, with full power on laser recharge. NTF fighters are traditionally equipped with Subachs and Prom Rs for balance reasons, and they aren't very good with them. Despite this, it's still superior to the Prometheus R, so prefer the Subach over it under any circumstance.''
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−	''This is a dogfighter's weapon, best used to tag fast moving but poorly defended opponents like the [[Ulysses]] or the [[Loki]]. Against Shivan bombers like the [[Nephilim]] or [[Seraphim]], you are going to have to shoot for a LONG time to get any kind of penetration. Even on heavy fighters like the [[Basilisk]] this weapon can do more harm than good, as its kinetic power will push it out of your gun sights before you've penetrated the shields.''	+	''This is a dogfighter's weapon, best used to tag fast moving but poorly defended opponents like the [[Ulysses]] or the [[Loki]]. If you don't mind a low hit percentage you can pretty much fire this thing continuously, using the bolts as ersatz tracers. Against Shivan bombers like the [[Nephilim]] or [[Seraphim]], however, you are going to have to shoot for a LONG time to get any kind of penetration. Even on heavy fighters like the [[Basilisk]] this weapon can do more harm than good, as its kinetic power will push it out of your gun sights before you've penetrated the shields.''



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	''The Subach isn't a bad weapon, but it's dwarfed by more advanced primaries. Everything can be equipped with it, and you can keep firing it forever even with decreased laser recharge. However, most combat situations in FreeSpace 2 don't require you to sustain fire for very long, thereby negating the Subach's strongest feature. Against warships, it just doesn't do that much damage, not to mention that the Prom S has a longer range, and thus it's more useful against turrets. While attacking blind spots, a pilot with Prom S can sustain his fire just as well as a pilot with Subach, with full power on laser recharge. NTF fighters are traditionally equipped with Subachs and Prom Rs for balance reasons, and they aren't very good with them. Despite this, it's still superior to the Prometheus R, so prefer the Subach over it under any circumstance.''		''The Subach isn't a bad weapon, but it's dwarfed by more advanced primaries. Everything can be equipped with it, and you can keep firing it forever even with decreased laser recharge. However, most combat situations in FreeSpace 2 don't require you to sustain fire for very long, thereby negating the Subach's strongest feature. Against warships, it just doesn't do that much damage, not to mention that the Prom S has a longer range, and thus it's more useful against turrets. While attacking blind spots, a pilot with Prom S can sustain his fire just as well as a pilot with Subach, with full power on laser recharge. NTF fighters are traditionally equipped with Subachs and Prom Rs for balance reasons, and they aren't very good with them. Despite this, it's still superior to the Prometheus R, so prefer the Subach over it under any circumstance.''
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		+	''This is a dogfighter's weapon, best used to tag fast moving but poorly defended opponents like the [[Ulysses]] or the [[Loki]]. Against Shivan bombers like the [[Nephilim]] or [[Seraphim]], you are going to have to shoot for a LONG time to get any kind of penetration. Even on heavy fighters like the [[Basilisk]] this weapon can do more harm than good, as its kinetic power will push it out of your gun sights before you've penetrated the shields.''
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	''Subachs are the saving grace of any Terran stealth fighter. Since stealth fighters can only carry one primary weapon, they would either be left with this, the [[GTW Mekhu HL-7\|Mekhu]] or the [[GTW Prometheus S\|Prometheus]]. With its high rate of fire, fairly high speed of projectile and energy efficiency, I would use this on a [[GTF Pegasus\|Pegasus]] any day.''		''Subachs are the saving grace of any Terran stealth fighter. Since stealth fighters can only carry one primary weapon, they would either be left with this, the [[GTW Mekhu HL-7\|Mekhu]] or the [[GTW Prometheus S\|Prometheus]]. With its high rate of fire, fairly high speed of projectile and energy efficiency, I would use this on a [[GTF Pegasus\|Pegasus]] any day.''
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−	''Whoever retired the [[GTW Avenger\|Avenger]] in favor of this is a traitor and ought to be spaced. The Avenger does more damage than the Subach on both hull and shields, has a very marginally slower ROF, a faster projectile speed, and is undoubtedly cheaper to produce (considering that it is basically a giant machine gun rather than an exotic X-ray laser that the tech room describes as being expensive).''

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 ===Veteran Comments===
-{{Comment|This is my favorite cannon throughout the game (especially on a [[GTF Erinyes]] or [[GTF Myrmidon]] or other fighter with double banks). Unlike the [[GTW Prometheus S]] or the [[GTW UD-8 Kayser]] this gun doesn't really eat much energy at all, continuing to work consistently. Some people may find its relatively low raw damage a disadvantage, but some will find the high rate-of-fire, efficiency, and compatibility balance out those issues.
+{{Comment|''This is my favorite cannon throughout the game (especially on a [[GTF Erinyes]] or [[GTF Myrmidon]] or other fighter with double banks). Unlike the [[GTW Prometheus S]] or the [[GTW UD-8 Kayser]] this gun doesn't really eat much energy at all, continuing to work consistently. Some people may find its relatively low raw damage a disadvantage, but some will find the high rate-of-fire, efficiency, and compatibility balance out those issues.''
-The Subach is a balanced weapon that can be adapted to fighting anything.
+''The Subach is a balanced weapon that can be adapted to fighting anything.''
-The HL-7 variants are generally never a bad choice; however, often a less energy-efficient gun allows a quicker kill, particularly of heavy fighters and bombers.
+''The HL-7 variants are generally never a bad choice. However, a less energy-efficient gun often allows for a quicker kill, particularly against heavy fighters and bombers.''
-Subachs are the saving grace of any Terran stealth fighter. Since stealth fighters can only carry one primary weapon, they would either be left with this, the [[GTW Mekhu HL-7|Mekhu]] or the [[GTW Prometheus S|Prometheus]]. With its high rate of fire, fairly high speed of projectile and energy efficiency, I would use this on a [[GTF Pegasus|Pegasus]] any day.
+''Subachs are the saving grace of any Terran stealth fighter. Since stealth fighters can only carry one primary weapon, they would either be left with this, the [[GTW Mekhu HL-7|Mekhu]] or the [[GTW Prometheus S|Prometheus]]. With its high rate of fire, fairly high speed of projectile and energy efficiency, I would use this on a [[GTF Pegasus|Pegasus]] any day.''
-Whoever retired the [[GTW Avenger|Avenger]] in favor of this is a traitor and ought to be spaced. The Avenger does more damage than the Subach on both hull and shields, has a very marginally slower ROF, a faster projectile speed, and is undoubtedly cheaper to produce (considering that it is basically a giant machine gun rather than an exotic X-ray laser that the tech room describes as being expensive).
+''Whoever retired the [[GTW Avenger|Avenger]] in favor of this is a traitor and ought to be spaced. The Avenger does more damage than the Subach on both hull and shields, has a very marginally slower ROF, a faster projectile speed, and is undoubtedly cheaper to produce (considering that it is basically a giant machine gun rather than an exotic X-ray laser that the tech room describes as being expensive).''
 The Subach isn't a bad weapon, but it's dwarfed by more advanced primaries. Everything can be equipped with it, and you can keep firing it forever even with decreased laser recharge. However, most combat situations in FreeSpace 2 don't require you to sustain fire for very long, thereby negating the Subach's strongest feature. Against warships, it just doesn't do that much damage, not to mention that the Prom S has a longer range, and thus it's more useful against turrets. While attacking blind spots, a pilot with Prom S can sustain his fire just as well as a pilot with Subach, with full power on laser recharge. NTF fighters are traditionally equipped with Subachs and Prom Rs for balance reasons, and they aren't very good with them. Despite this, it's still superior to the Prometheus R, so prefer the Subach over it under any circumstance.
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	Whoever retired the [[GTW Avenger\|Avenger]] in favor of this is a traitor and ought to be spaced. The Avenger does more damage than the Subach on both hull and shields, has a very marginally slower ROF, a faster projectile speed, and is undoubtedly cheaper to produce (considering that it is basically a giant machine gun rather than an exotic X-ray laser that the tech room describes as being expensive).		Whoever retired the [[GTW Avenger\|Avenger]] in favor of this is a traitor and ought to be spaced. The Avenger does more damage than the Subach on both hull and shields, has a very marginally slower ROF, a faster projectile speed, and is undoubtedly cheaper to produce (considering that it is basically a giant machine gun rather than an exotic X-ray laser that the tech room describes as being expensive).
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		+	The Subach isn't a bad weapon, but it's dwarfed by more advanced primaries. Everything can be equipped with it, and you can keep firing it forever even with decreased laser recharge. However, most combat situations in FreeSpace 2 don't require you to sustain fire for very long, thereby negating the Subach's strongest feature. Against warships, it just doesn't do that much damage, not to mention that the Prom S has a longer range, and thus it's more useful against turrets. While attacking blind spots, a pilot with Prom S can sustain his fire just as well as a pilot with Subach, with full power on laser recharge. NTF fighters are traditionally equipped with Subachs and Prom Rs for balance reasons, and they aren't very good with them. Despite this, it's still superior to the Prometheus R, so prefer the Subach over it under any circumstance.
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