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Would be nice if this could be renamed to Modded Ships, as that's all it covers. Is renaming possible? Because User-made Mods could include effects, music, interfaces, HUDs, and so on. [[User:Mustang19|Mustang19]]
 
Would be nice if this could be renamed to Modded Ships, as that's all it covers. Is renaming possible? Because User-made Mods could include effects, music, interfaces, HUDs, and so on. [[User:Mustang19|Mustang19]]
  
== Pictures and ship entry ==
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The uploader is somewhat borked on my end and I just realised that a tech entry can't have more than one ship image (or I don't know how to do this), not to mention there's a size limit of sorts. If someone can delete the Ezechiel.jpg, Ezechielsoc.jpg and Ezechielsoc_sm.jpg it would be greatly appreciated. I'll stick to the picture of the standard skin, small version. [[asyikarea51|aa51]]
  
The uploader is somewhat borked on my end and I just realised that a tech entry can't have more than one ship image (or I don't know how to do this), not to mention there's a size limit of sorts. If someone can delete the Ezechiel.jpg, Ezechielsoc.jpg and Ezechielsoc_sm.jpg it would be greatly appreciated. I'll stick to the picture of the standard skin, small version.
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==Formatting==
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Could this be organized in a way that's easier to edit?  As it is, to add an entry, and keep everything in alphabetical order, you have to manually move everything else down a row. -[[User:Blowfish|blowfish]]
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Yeah I know it's a bit of pain in the ass. Is it possible to get it in a table format but without the editing woes? I don't know if Wikipedia allows for like . . . some sort of table where you just have the format and then somewhere else you have the list of ships. I think you can do something like that in HTML but not sure. Either way, I added the GVF Khepri to the list to save you the trouble. If it helps, how I add stuff is to find out where it goes and then to copy that column down from there. So copy the last to an empty row, second last to the last, third last to the second last, until you get to the spot where the fighter is going and then you type it in there. Still annoying though. [[User:Akalabeth|Akalabeth]]
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We could convert it to a sortable table, I've put up a demo in the [[Sandbox]]. Cons: Will cost more vertical screen space. Pros: never worry about alphabetization again, looking for specific ships becomes much easier, user can group by HTL/non-HTL, cockpit/no cockpit etc., removes quite a bit of the formatting overhead in the current page. [[User:SpaceFreak|SpaceFreak]] 16:53, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
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==Please *only* add released ships==
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This comes up every now and then, so I figured I should add this to explain why we only allow released ships on here.
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In addition to providing an archived list of all the ships that have been made over the years, another major purpose of this page is to make an easy to access resource for campaign makers who want to add ships to their projects. If we allow WiPs or other unreleased ships, then that works against that purpose. A FREDder might find a perfect ship, only to see it's a campaign exclusive and is unavailable to them. Also, given the fact that the number of announced WiPs far, far exceeds the number of completed, released ships, if we allowed WiPs, the page would soon become dominated by WiPs that not only can't be used in game now, but will almost certainly never get finished and released. I'm not opposed to WiPs or exclusive ships getting wiki pages, if the author want it, but they definitely should not be linked from here. [[User:Black Wolf|Black Wolf]] 12:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
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== Split Capital Ships section into two? ==
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The section for capital ships is getting pretty big thanks to all the Terran ships in it. Does anyone else think we should split it into Small Capital Ships (Cruisers and Gunships) and Medium Capital Ships (Corvettes and Frigates)?--[[User:Valiran|Valiran]] ([[User talk:Valiran|talk]]) 05:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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* It's a good idea, but IMHO it isn't necessary. It's not much bigger than the Fighter section, and Fighter can't be split up because there are no sub-categories for that.  However, one avenue for improvement is to add a third Terran column. - [[User:Goober5000|Goober5000]] ([[User talk:Goober5000|talk]]) 19:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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** Maybe we should switch over to [[User-made ship tables]], then? They certainly look like they have better functionality, though we'd probably need to make them automatically update.--[[User:Valiran|Valiran]] ([[User talk:Valiran|talk]]) 21:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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*** No "switch" is needed.  The two pages can exist in parallel, as they serve different purposes.  But if you find it easier to use the second page, by all means do so.  It does need to be regenerated; I agree there. - [[User:Goober5000|Goober5000]] ([[User talk:Goober5000|talk]]) 04:18, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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**** Would there be a way to link the tables to the User-made ships category and update every time a new page is added to it? A few years back I came across several ships in there that hadn’t been added to the UMS page. I’d also like to find an easier way to sort the ships in these lists than by doing it manually, but I’m guessing that people have already tried and found nothing.--[[User:Valiran|Valiran]] ([[User talk:Valiran|talk]]) 23:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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***** I don't think that is possible.  I think MatthTheGeek has a program that will generate the new page, but it needs to be done manually. - [[User:Goober5000|Goober5000]] ([[User talk:Goober5000|talk]]) 15:59, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 15:59, 2 March 2022

Would be nice if this could be renamed to Modded Ships, as that's all it covers. Is renaming possible? Because User-made Mods could include effects, music, interfaces, HUDs, and so on. Mustang19

The uploader is somewhat borked on my end and I just realised that a tech entry can't have more than one ship image (or I don't know how to do this), not to mention there's a size limit of sorts. If someone can delete the Ezechiel.jpg, Ezechielsoc.jpg and Ezechielsoc_sm.jpg it would be greatly appreciated. I'll stick to the picture of the standard skin, small version. aa51

Formatting

Could this be organized in a way that's easier to edit? As it is, to add an entry, and keep everything in alphabetical order, you have to manually move everything else down a row. -blowfish

Yeah I know it's a bit of pain in the ass. Is it possible to get it in a table format but without the editing woes? I don't know if Wikipedia allows for like . . . some sort of table where you just have the format and then somewhere else you have the list of ships. I think you can do something like that in HTML but not sure. Either way, I added the GVF Khepri to the list to save you the trouble. If it helps, how I add stuff is to find out where it goes and then to copy that column down from there. So copy the last to an empty row, second last to the last, third last to the second last, until you get to the spot where the fighter is going and then you type it in there. Still annoying though. Akalabeth

We could convert it to a sortable table, I've put up a demo in the Sandbox. Cons: Will cost more vertical screen space. Pros: never worry about alphabetization again, looking for specific ships becomes much easier, user can group by HTL/non-HTL, cockpit/no cockpit etc., removes quite a bit of the formatting overhead in the current page. SpaceFreak 16:53, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


Please *only* add released ships

This comes up every now and then, so I figured I should add this to explain why we only allow released ships on here.

In addition to providing an archived list of all the ships that have been made over the years, another major purpose of this page is to make an easy to access resource for campaign makers who want to add ships to their projects. If we allow WiPs or other unreleased ships, then that works against that purpose. A FREDder might find a perfect ship, only to see it's a campaign exclusive and is unavailable to them. Also, given the fact that the number of announced WiPs far, far exceeds the number of completed, released ships, if we allowed WiPs, the page would soon become dominated by WiPs that not only can't be used in game now, but will almost certainly never get finished and released. I'm not opposed to WiPs or exclusive ships getting wiki pages, if the author want it, but they definitely should not be linked from here. Black Wolf 12:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Split Capital Ships section into two?

The section for capital ships is getting pretty big thanks to all the Terran ships in it. Does anyone else think we should split it into Small Capital Ships (Cruisers and Gunships) and Medium Capital Ships (Corvettes and Frigates)?--Valiran (talk) 05:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

  • It's a good idea, but IMHO it isn't necessary. It's not much bigger than the Fighter section, and Fighter can't be split up because there are no sub-categories for that. However, one avenue for improvement is to add a third Terran column. - Goober5000 (talk) 19:33, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
    • Maybe we should switch over to User-made ship tables, then? They certainly look like they have better functionality, though we'd probably need to make them automatically update.--Valiran (talk) 21:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
      • No "switch" is needed. The two pages can exist in parallel, as they serve different purposes. But if you find it easier to use the second page, by all means do so. It does need to be regenerated; I agree there. - Goober5000 (talk) 04:18, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
        • Would there be a way to link the tables to the User-made ships category and update every time a new page is added to it? A few years back I came across several ships in there that hadn’t been added to the UMS page. I’d also like to find an easier way to sort the ships in these lists than by doing it manually, but I’m guessing that people have already tried and found nothing.--Valiran (talk) 23:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
          • I don't think that is possible. I think MatthTheGeek has a program that will generate the new page, but it needs to be done manually. - Goober5000 (talk) 15:59, 2 March 2022 (UTC)