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Early in 2008, the FreeSpace Wiki community came to the consensus that many of its Veteran Comments sections had devolved into blogs. Veteran Comments were originally intended to provide useful information about various ships that wasn't apparent from their table statistics. From now on, contributors are asked to maintain a certain level of quality in their Comments.
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The FreeSpace Wiki's Veteran Comments policy, in a nutshell, is:
  
[http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25506.140.html A Wiki forums discussion] has come to some conclusions. Here are a few examples of what information a ''useful'' Veteran Comment might include, although this list is far from all-inclusive:
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<big>'''Do ''<u>not</u>'' treat the Veteran Comments section like MySpace, Facebook, or Twitter.<br/>
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Verified and useful information is valued. Highly subjective and useless comments are not.'''</big>
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'''All articles:'''
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Early in 2008, the FreeSpace Wiki community came to the consensus that many of its Veteran Comments sections had devolved into blogs. Veteran Comments were originally introduced to provide useful information about various ships that were not apparent from their table statistics and/or in-game descriptions. Consequently, contributors were asked to maintain a certain level of quality in their Comments.
* Notes for FREDders (the [[SB Nephilim|Nephilim]] doesn't carry bombs in its default loadout, certain bombers carry Phoenixes but the [[good-secondary-time]] SEXP must be used to enable them to fire)
 
* Info on special gun placements and which banks correspond to which guns (Ursa's top-right gun, which is uselessly inaccurate versus anything small)
 
* Warnings about any problems with the ship (Tauret can't really use Kaysers due to energy constraints)
 
* Weaknesses (the weapons systems on the Erinyes and Athena are extremely exposed. Think 95% hull and no weapons working)
 
* Any interesting facts that have not been pointed out elsewhere
 
  
'''Capship articles:'''
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[http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25506.140.html A discussion on the Hard Light Productions forums regarding the subject] has come to the following conclusions, and some examples of what a Veteran Comment should and should not contain:
* Blind spots (in front and ever so slightly above a Moloch, only a single blob turret can reach you)
 
* Special issues (the Azrael is effectively impossible to disable due to the engine placement)
 
  
'''What a Veteran Comment should ''not'' contain:'''
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*Blog-like descriptions that point out strengths/weaknesses under rare circumstances.
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*Speculation about how powerful the given ship would be if its default armament weren't what it is. (An Arcadia could be more powerful if it had beams, but it doesn't!)
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*Speculation about the motives behind a given ship or weapon (Why did the NTF use Prometheus R cannons instead of Kaysers? Why was the Valkyrie decommissioned?)
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*Mission-specific comments (This ship is very useful in this mission under these circumstances). Comments like these are to be made in the relevant article. (Use the Trebuchets like this in [[Bearbaiting]])
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| style="width:46%" | '''Capital Ship Articles'''
*Highly subjective and debatable statements like ''extremely weak'' or ''totally useless''.
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*Vulgarities like ''a piece of crap''.
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*Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.
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* Notes for FREDders (e.g. the [[SB Nephilim|''Nephilim'']] doesn't carry bombs in its default loadout; certain bombers carry [[GTM Phoenix V|Phoenix missile]]s but the [[good-secondary-time]] SEXP must be used to enable them to fire).
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* Info on special gun placements and which banks correspond to which guns (e.g. the [[GTB Ursa|''Ursa'']]'s top-right gun is inaccurate against anything small).
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* Warnings about any problems with the ship (e.g. [[GVF Tauret|''Tauret'']] cannot really use Kaysers due to energy constraints).
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* Weaknesses (e.g. the [[GTF Valkyrie|''Valkyrie'']]'s Comms tends to get disabled when unshielded, which may cause the player to miss critical dialogue).
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* Any interesting facts that have not been pointed out elsewhere (e.g. mediavps version of the [[GTC Aeolus|''Aeolus'']] adds a fighterbay).
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* Blind spots (e.g. in front and ever so slightly above a [[SCv Moloch|''Moloch'']], only a single blob turret can reach you).
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* Special issues (e.g the [[ST Azrael|''Azrael'']] is effectively impossible to disable due to the engine placement).
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| colspan=1 | '''Should Not Contain''' || colspan=2 |
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* Blog-like descriptions that point out strengths/weaknesses under rare circumstances.
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* Speculation about how powerful the given ship would be if its default armament was changed (e.g. an [[GTI Arcadia|''Arcadia'']] could be more powerful if its blob turrets were replaced with beams).
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* Speculation about the motives behind the use of a given ship or weapon (e.g. in-universe speculation of why the NTF use the [[GTW Prometheus R]], or the decommissioning of the GTF ''Valkyrie'')
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* Mission-specific comments (e.g. the [[GTM Trebuchet]] should be used to destroy the forward flak guns of the [[SJ Sathanas|''Sathanas'']] in [[Bearbaiting]]). Comments like these should be integrated into an article related to the mission.
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* Highly subjective and debatable statements like "extremely weak" or "totally useless" that are not backed up by facts.
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* Vulgarities (e.g. "a piece of crap").
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* Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.
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The thrust of the Veteran Comments reform movement is, ''' '' do not treat Veteran Comments like Myspace. Verified and useful information is valued; highly subjective and useless comments are not. '' ''' Veteran comments are not treated as forum posts by one user&mdash;other contributors are allowed to edit the comments for accuracy, clarity of expression, or grammar. Accordingly, please don't sign your Veteran Comments.
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This is a Wiki, so Veteran Comments are not handled like forum posts by individual users&mdash;other contributors are allowed to edit any Veteran Comments for accuracy, clarity of expression, or grammar. For this reason, do '''not''' sign any Veteran Comments you make.
  
Through all this, remember that this policy is not meant to discourage helpful contributors. '''Be bold''', as they say on Wikipedia. If you're not sure of something, start a discussion on the Talk Page. If you are fairly certain of it, edit the article accordingly. Thanks to the Wiki architecture, errors can be corrected or removed later.
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Through all this, remember that this policy is not meant to discourage helpful contributors. '''Be bold''', as they say on Wikipedia. If you are unsure of something, start a discussion on the Talk Page or forums. If you are fairly certain of it, edit the article accordingly. Thanks to the Wiki architecture, errors can be corrected or removed later.
  
 
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The FreeSpace Wiki's Veteran Comments policy, in a nutshell, is:

Do not treat the Veteran Comments section like MySpace, Facebook, or Twitter.
Verified and useful information is valued. Highly subjective and useless comments are not.

Early in 2008, the FreeSpace Wiki community came to the consensus that many of its Veteran Comments sections had devolved into blogs. Veteran Comments were originally introduced to provide useful information about various ships that were not apparent from their table statistics and/or in-game descriptions. Consequently, contributors were asked to maintain a certain level of quality in their Comments.

A discussion on the Hard Light Productions forums regarding the subject has come to the following conclusions, and some examples of what a Veteran Comment should and should not contain:

All Articles Capital Ship Articles
Should Contain
  • Notes for FREDders (e.g. the Nephilim doesn't carry bombs in its default loadout; certain bombers carry Phoenix missiles but the good-secondary-time SEXP must be used to enable them to fire).
  • Info on special gun placements and which banks correspond to which guns (e.g. the Ursa's top-right gun is inaccurate against anything small).
  • Warnings about any problems with the ship (e.g. Tauret cannot really use Kaysers due to energy constraints).
  • Weaknesses (e.g. the Valkyrie's Comms tends to get disabled when unshielded, which may cause the player to miss critical dialogue).
  • Any interesting facts that have not been pointed out elsewhere (e.g. mediavps version of the Aeolus adds a fighterbay).
  • Blind spots (e.g. in front and ever so slightly above a Moloch, only a single blob turret can reach you).
  • Special issues (e.g the Azrael is effectively impossible to disable due to the engine placement).
Should Not Contain
  • Blog-like descriptions that point out strengths/weaknesses under rare circumstances.
  • Speculation about how powerful the given ship would be if its default armament was changed (e.g. an Arcadia could be more powerful if its blob turrets were replaced with beams).
  • Speculation about the motives behind the use of a given ship or weapon (e.g. in-universe speculation of why the NTF use the GTW Prometheus R, or the decommissioning of the GTF Valkyrie)
  • Mission-specific comments (e.g. the GTM Trebuchet should be used to destroy the forward flak guns of the Sathanas in Bearbaiting). Comments like these should be integrated into an article related to the mission.
  • Highly subjective and debatable statements like "extremely weak" or "totally useless" that are not backed up by facts.
  • Vulgarities (e.g. "a piece of crap").
  • Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.

This is a Wiki, so Veteran Comments are not handled like forum posts by individual users—other contributors are allowed to edit any Veteran Comments for accuracy, clarity of expression, or grammar. For this reason, do not sign any Veteran Comments you make.

Through all this, remember that this policy is not meant to discourage helpful contributors. Be bold, as they say on Wikipedia. If you are unsure of something, start a discussion on the Talk Page or forums. If you are fairly certain of it, edit the article accordingly. Thanks to the Wiki architecture, errors can be corrected or removed later.