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| − | Ahem, G5K. My edits weren't "random". In fact, I now see you've reverted back to ''erroneous'' capitalization in the various lists in the article. But, seeing as this is your baby, I will not mind. I simply thought it'd be both '''a)''' better for the article to have it correctly capitalized, and '''2)''' a fun and friendly poke at your (at times perhaps a bit self-indulgent) "grammar nazi" custom. ;) I mean this w/out any vitriol and that, in any shape or form. Oi, btw; "tba" is an acronym for "to be announced". I just thought you'd like to know. --[[User:Selectah|Selectah]] 00:26, 13 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | *Oh, btw 2; I also see that you've re-inserted the "superior to" thingie. I thought judgement calls had no place in an encyclopedia. Doesn't that kinda stuff really belong on a project website? Like "''this is the best campaign in the known universe''" and that? According to whom? With what authority? How can these people know what others will think of it? Using what technique? How? And that. --[[User:Selectah|Selectah]] 00:33, 13 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | :*I see the article ''still'' sports erroneous capitalization, weasel words and unprofessional language. I know it's bollox'd, but if I correct it, I have a nagging suspicion G5K is going to storm in with his '''Hammer of Unreciprocity''' (+2 damage) and revert everything back to what ''he'' thinks is correct. So I guess I won't mind, then. Whaddya say, fellow HLP'ians? Should I just drop it? --[[User:Selectah|Selectah]] 10:16, 20 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | I'm kinda curious as to what the hell you're on about Selectah, since I find none of what you state. And frankly, the "superior to" is the guiding concept of the campaign: rebuild Silent Threat, make it better. It is not judgement of the campaign's actual superiority but rather what it seeks to achieve. And also frankly for your protestations of needed impartiality, you're not showing much, so I have to question your fitness to judge the requirement. --[[User:ngtm1r|ngtm1r]] 12:00 December 21 2006 (PST)
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| − | *Why the vitriol? As to "what the hell I'm on about", it's really a question of quite basic things. Whether a product is superior or not cannot really be assessed without actually ''experiencing'' the product, I trust you agree. As to what the campaign in progress is trying to achieve, I have absolutely no issues neither pro or con that. The issue I have is one of wording. As it stands, it can be percieved as arrogance, believe it or not. Further, as to any percieved partiality, wouldn't it be of service to actually point out any percieved bias on my part regarding the article, no? If not, I will only see your allegation of bias as an ''ad hominem'', and thus pay it no nevermind. As to your statement regarding my fitness to judge partiality, I will leave any such verdict to the discernment of the community. Thank you in advance for your anticipated co-operation. I stated my opinion previously, and still do so. Before you think that I'm full of it, the initial edits I did to the article removed ''all'' biased statements. The page history is readily available. The response I recieved was a blurb about "random edits", without ''any'' explanation. At all. Further, bulleted points -- or other point lists -- following a colon ''are'' written without end fullstops and initial capital letters, unless the first word requires capitalization, such as a name (disregarding name particles, such as "von" or "de") or the nominative form of the singular first-person pronoun. ''Headings'', however, ''are'' written with initial capitalization and no final fullstop. You don't need to trust me on this, you can look it up yourself. I also know that the initial ST site (preserved [http://web.archive.org/web/20000817084511/www.volition-inc.com/st/ here]) did not mention anything about "clouding a spotless record", but ''spot''less records are usually ''tainted'', not ''clouded''. Sorry about that. The rest, though, I stand by. ;) --[[User:Selectah|Selectah]] 05:21, 22 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | Considering what a sorry state some parts of the wiki are in, don't you think your time is spent better elsewhere? There's nothing more wrong with this mod page than any of the others... seriously, why freak out over this one? Oh, and did I mention your going up against a lot of people who have been here since before HLP even existed, and people who basically INVENTED the wiki? --[[User:Moniter|Mars]] 13:34, 22 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | *"''Considering what a sorry state some parts of the wiki are in''" Indeed, you're correct, Moniter/Mars. I've tried to do my share, tho. Still do. There are loads of things that need to be corrected and addded and expanded. "''your going up against a lot of people who have been here since before HLP even existed, and people who basically INVENTED the wiki?''" I don't care if I have to go up against Jesus H Christ, wright is wright and rong is rong. Titles have never impressed me. Anyways, I'm rambling. I seem to do that a lot. ;) I'm not "freaking out" over the article. It can stay exactly the way it is for all I care. --[[User:Selectah|Selectah]] 08:26, 23 December 2006 (CST)
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| − | *I have not found any hard-and-fast rules for capitalizing either lists or bullets, so I would be interested to know from what authority you derive your claims, Selectah. What I ''have'' found says that capitalization guides are efforts to maximize visual appeal. The capitalization I used is the style that is the most visually appealing to me.
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| − | *I am well aware that "tba" means "to be announced". This, however, implies that the time has already been determined but has not yet been made public. I chose the more accurate "to be determined", which, by the way, can be abbreviated "tbd".
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| − | *There are judgement calls, and then there are statements of quality. Pick any metric you want: depth of story, amount of dialogue, quality of gameplay, number of missions, effort spent on development. Silent Threat: Reborn is objectively superior in every respect. You may not ''like'' the campaign -- that's your opinion, and that ''is'' a judgement call -- but you won't be able to deny that it's more complete, more comprehensive, and more polished than the original.
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| − | *The change in wording of the campaign summary is our rewrite, consistent with our rewrite of the Silent Threat plot. (I mean "rewrite" as "rework and polish" rather than "scrap and redesign".) And I believe the wording I used was correct. The GTI's record has not been tainted with spots; it has been clouded with suspicion. Technically, the record is clean. Practically, questions have been raised. That's what I wanted to convey.
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| − | *You say, "Titles have never impressed me." That's a respectable position, and I can agree with it. But do reputations impress you? Does experience impress you?
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| − | Now then. I am trying to refrain from vitriol as well, but I must confess a certain curiosity for your critical interest in the Port and the Port's projects, despite your disdain for what we actually produce. Correct me if my impression is wrong. --[[User:Goober5000|Goober5000]] 00:34, 1 January 2007 (CST)
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| − | *Sorry, didn't notice your reply, G5K. The article's perfectly fine by me. It can stay exactly the way it is for all I care. Your capitalizing choices are -- as you kindly pointed out, sir -- your aesthetic choices. I have no qualms with that, sir, write whatever you want. ST:R is, after all, your baby. "Do reputations impress you?" No. "Does experience impress you?" No. The ''end product'' does, or doesn't. I don't care ''who'' has made it. I don't care what the person(s) behind the product has/have done previously. If the product is top notch, grade A, prime time entertainment, it doesn't matter if it'd been created by mr Smart. Then again, if the ''end product'' sucks -- and severely at that -- it doesn't matter if it'd been created by the demigods at Volition. Reputation and experience -- and yes, titles -- are just that; labels and indexes. Perhaps if I rephrase it a bit, no? Okay, ''should'' reputation impress me? I wonder, though, G5K; why do you think I'd have any form of disdain for the ''FreeSpace Port''? I think the previous versions of the FSPort were great. I believe I've said so many, many times, on the HLP forum(s) and elsewhere. I'll say it again, here; the FreeSpace Port is a fine piece of work. So yes, I'm happy to inform you that your initial impression is a bit wrong. --[[User:Selectah|Selectah]] 09:11, 31 January 2007 (CST)
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