User talk:Grunt minion22

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Shivan fighter/bomber stats

What's your source for your recent edits regarding canon Shivan fighters' stats? Those aren't in the retail tables, so whatever you found is supposedly non-canon. - TopAce 23:33, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• Odd, this is what I was using: just plain old 3.6.10 SCP edition, and I had a table file that was from the root.vp file from retail FS2. I used the trick very similar to the Fly as a capital ship glitch to view their stats. I booted up the game, and went to the mission containing that had the normally unflyable shivan ships as alpha 2, 3, etc. I clicked on them and it gave me those stats located in the top left hand cornor. Those ships were NOT modified at all what-so-ever. What might be the issue of this is, that the armor value is problaly evaluated by the Density and Mass of the ship, (as seen on the table files when u look at them on wordpad), and is placed on a scale that gives the ship its armor value. For manuvurability, it depends on its rotation time for it to make a full 360. You problaly do already know of this, but there is a +armor, and manuvurability for the flyable ships at the begining of its tech-file, where the game will say its armor and manuvurability description where you would normally find it, but for here, it is based off the values give its actual armor value (as with the known issue of the GTB Atremis D.H. not being any superior to its normal counterpart despite being listed as being superior in terms of manuvurability). If there is any inconvinance, then I'm sorry. I was posting what I thought would be canon. Grunt minion22 7:01pm 3 December 2009
  • They appear to be hard-coded. I do not believe they were there since retail and must have been added by the SCP. They are thus non-canon and do not belong on the Wiki. IMO. - Snail 16:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
    • No problem, Grunt, but please next time explain where and how you found what you found, especially for stuff that people cannot determine by simply looking at the retail tables. - TopAce 17:44, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
      • I think the only thing left now is to find out for certain if those things were added by the SCP or not. If they were added by the SCP I think we should remove them. - Snail 17:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)