Talk:Silent Threat: Reborn continuity
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G-canon kinda implies that it is in some way canon, which it ain't. How's about we rename it G-fanon? After all, it's fanon not canon. - Snail 21:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I don't understand. First of all, G-canon is the term I read on HLP so using a different term would be pointless (I'm not inventing anything). Also, I'd like to remember that the article specifies that G-canon isn't V canon. We have several terms with the word canon on them (like "INF canon") which surely aren't connected to V. --- Mobius
- I've rewritten the main page to clarify these discrepancies. However the GTI is most certainly not the NTF. - Goober5000 19:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- Does anyone actually use this term? It's interesting and kind of cool, but this seems like a case of trying to create the term rather than referring to something in broad use. General Battuta 03:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- It was used in a forum thread at least once. However I don't know if it was used more than that. :) Is there a page for "Blue Planet canon", "Inferno canon", "Derelict canon", etc.? If not, we could probably delete this page. - Goober5000 19:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- I created this page because people might confuse ST:R, which isn't canon, with ST, which is canon. The other campaigns you cited don't need an article of this kind - it's pretty clear that those are 100% fanmade campaigns based on invented continuities. ST:R's an upgrade of a canon campaign, meaning that it's important to analyze the main differences between it and the original ST. On a side note, there's a page about Cold Element. Derelict is part of that continuity. --- Mobius
- We do have the Derelict banner. That's the only thing similar. If we could get similar banners for the various continuities, that'd actually be really cool, since I think the Derelict banner looks great.General Battuta 22:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think Silent Threat: Reborn should need a banner. As far as I know, there hasn't been any campaigns based off of Reborn. And even if such is the case, if everyone knows it isn't canon, then it will never be canon, regardless of public opinion, especially since both Galemp and Goober denies that it's canon. I also think this page isn't necessary because the page applies to anything not from Volition. We'd have a page for all fanons including Inferno, Derelict, etc. Besides, the term is not used enough to constitute a reason for a page. SypheDMar 00:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- I think there's something to be said for using banners to sort the various continuities, though. Anyone looking at a model with an INFR1 tech description, for instance, probably starts wondering 'how the heck does relate to that 'GTF Ulysses' I was just reading about?' Category banners might be useful, and they look great. As for the issue of what continuities qualify, I think any fairly well-represented RELEASED campaign with a sizable modpack could apply. Inferno, for instance, is well-represented on the Wiki and could stand to have some organizing markers. General Battuta 01:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- And Inferno does, just like Derelict! And they look great. Awesome. Maybe I'll try to get something whipped up for other big campaign projects.General Battuta 02:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- I think there's something to be said for using banners to sort the various continuities, though. Anyone looking at a model with an INFR1 tech description, for instance, probably starts wondering 'how the heck does relate to that 'GTF Ulysses' I was just reading about?' Category banners might be useful, and they look great. As for the issue of what continuities qualify, I think any fairly well-represented RELEASED campaign with a sizable modpack could apply. Inferno, for instance, is well-represented on the Wiki and could stand to have some organizing markers. General Battuta 01:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- Should there ever be an official campaign based on Silent Threat: Reborn, it would belong to this continuity. More importantly, ST:R shares several elements from Blaise Russel's Shrouding the Light continuity, such as Admiral Amentep. And again, if someone wanted to make an unofficial campaign based on ST:R, it would help to have a one-stop shop for the information. - Goober5000 03:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think Silent Threat: Reborn should need a banner. As far as I know, there hasn't been any campaigns based off of Reborn. And even if such is the case, if everyone knows it isn't canon, then it will never be canon, regardless of public opinion, especially since both Galemp and Goober denies that it's canon. I also think this page isn't necessary because the page applies to anything not from Volition. We'd have a page for all fanons including Inferno, Derelict, etc. Besides, the term is not used enough to constitute a reason for a page. SypheDMar 00:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- It was used in a forum thread at least once. However I don't know if it was used more than that. :) Is there a page for "Blue Planet canon", "Inferno canon", "Derelict canon", etc.? If not, we could probably delete this page. - Goober5000 19:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- What does that mean? I remember Snail saying that ST:R's GTI, unlike ST's GTI, is anti-Vasudan. A page about the ST:R continuity should, IMO, explain the main differences between ST:R and ST. The fact that the GTI's ideals have an anti-Vasudan matrix in ST:R is one such difference. Furthermore, I don't see the point in denying that both the NTF and ST:R's GTI emerged as anti-Vasudan factions with certain ideals. --- Mobius
- The GTI is not the NTF because they have completely different motivations. The GTI is essentially a military-industrial complex that's taken on a life of its own: they have been defending against the Vasudan threat for so long that they can't believe there wouldn't be a decisive resolution to that conflict. They believe that hostilities will inevitably resume, and when they do, that the Vasudans will stab them in the back. So they intend to stab the Vasudans in the back first. In contrast, the NTF is a political movement fueled by 32 years of resentment towards the Vasudans for successfully rebuilding during Reconstruction when the Terrans did not. -- Goober5000 09:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Does anyone actually use this term? It's interesting and kind of cool, but this seems like a case of trying to create the term rather than referring to something in broad use. General Battuta 03:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- I've rewritten the main page to clarify these discrepancies. However the GTI is most certainly not the NTF. - Goober5000 19:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- I think we should wait for a campaign first before assuming a community based around it exists. There might be a flaw with this page if it assumes that all campaigns based off the Silent Threat:Reborn campaign are related. Should we link this page to the Silent Threat:Reborn page under the "Mod Info" tab? SypheDMar 14:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- Given that Shrouding the Light and Echo Gate fit into the ST:Rverse, I think we have adequate other campaigns to demonstrate a community. And yeah, I'll link it.General Battuta 16:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, guys, but I think I did not clarify my position. We don't need a page like this because there might be campaigns based on ST:R and/or ST:R fits with the plot of other custom campaigns - we need a detailed page describing the differences between the original Silent Threat and Silent Threat: Reborn. Most of us played both ST campaigns, but many newcomers surely didn't. ST:R is a fanmade upgrade of an original campaign by Volition, so we need to clarify that to prevent confusion and elitism. ST:R might be considered canon by those who're not sufficiently informed. In the first version of this article, I specified how ST:R's GTI, unlike ST's GTI, emerged as an anti-Vasudan faction (like the NTF). Weirdly, that statement got removed. In other words, we don't have anything in this Wiki putting an emphasis to the differences between ST and ST:R. People might end up considering ST:R an ST with voices and better graphical effects, which isn't true. I'm not trying to damage the developers of ST:R, but since I'm all against elitism (even INF elitism) I think it's the case of adding more info to the article. --- Mobius
- Responded to Mobius's NTF/GTI question above, in its original place. As for adding further details, I think the page is at a good level of detail currently. -- Goober5000 09:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, guys, but I think I did not clarify my position. We don't need a page like this because there might be campaigns based on ST:R and/or ST:R fits with the plot of other custom campaigns - we need a detailed page describing the differences between the original Silent Threat and Silent Threat: Reborn. Most of us played both ST campaigns, but many newcomers surely didn't. ST:R is a fanmade upgrade of an original campaign by Volition, so we need to clarify that to prevent confusion and elitism. ST:R might be considered canon by those who're not sufficiently informed. In the first version of this article, I specified how ST:R's GTI, unlike ST's GTI, emerged as an anti-Vasudan faction (like the NTF). Weirdly, that statement got removed. In other words, we don't have anything in this Wiki putting an emphasis to the differences between ST and ST:R. People might end up considering ST:R an ST with voices and better graphical effects, which isn't true. I'm not trying to damage the developers of ST:R, but since I'm all against elitism (even INF elitism) I think it's the case of adding more info to the article. --- Mobius
- Given that Shrouding the Light and Echo Gate fit into the ST:Rverse, I think we have adequate other campaigns to demonstrate a community. And yeah, I'll link it.General Battuta 16:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
